I've been running an online game for about 2 months now, stemming from this idea I tweeted about "Hrmm what about a miniature skirmish game with three players. One player is the referee and it's pretty much free kriegsspiel rules. And by that I mean the referee just adjudicates things as they come up". It's not been a game featuring any miniatures, but it has been a lot of fun. 6 player warbands tromping around the following hexcrawl: http://save.vs.totalpartykill.ca/grab-bag/wastes/ Exploring, making alliances, and fighting each other. I'm loving running it, but very much want to take part in a similar game as a player. As such I am sharing my notes so some one else might give running a game like this a crack - and I can play in it!
Update: Here are some clear and straight forward rules to use:
"There are at least three players, one is the referee. The other two are in command of a number of units (the referee determines how many units/how powerful the units are/unit selection/etc). The referee describes the battlefield to the commanders and the units position on said battlefield. Each round/turn/hour/day (at the discretion of the referee) each commander gives orders for their units to the referee. The referee takes each set of orders and works out what happens as a result of them. The referee updates the commanders about what happened in the round/turn/hour/day and the process repeats itself."
“Skirmish in The Rocks” – John Blanche |
Initial Notes:
Have an overall description for each faction/warband
Have description of each unit in warband
Keep a digital document with a list of each warband/unit to track how they are all going (health, morale, etc, wise)
Players need to provide a description of each of their units
Consider access to food, water, shelter, and impact of weather and other environmental effects.
Also day/night, light and dark!
In combat consider Weapons, Armours, Magic effects, Speed, Strength, Etc
Consider Morale and Fear
Turns broken down into Day/Week/Month/Year depending on agreement of players (Note: I've been just receiving orders and working out how long everything would take in that order and than normalizing time spent relative to other warbands in my head - just do what feels right)
Combat is turn by turn, referee adjudicating, tables for combat success below.
Orders are private. Referee receives orders then computes them, then describes what happens to the players
Referee will tell players what dice to roll after orders received (Note: I have found it easier to just do all dice rolls on my end)
If getting players to do their rules RANDOMLY DETERMINE WHETHER A HIGH OR LOW ROLL IS GOOD - this should keep players honest!
Provide maps for battles when useful
Only roll when necessary
- Players provide a picture/description of their army/warband
- Players can do something on a hex or move on - time spent is relative (so some units and warbands will be further forward in time/quicker/etc).
- Players can invent backstories for their band/units as they play or beforehand.
Setting/Map/Warband And Unit Selection:
This is obviously up to the referee. There are some great hex maps here: http://save.vs.totalpartykill.ca/grab-bag/ . You could make your possibly player faction selection as wide or narrow as you like!
Notes and Ideas from Running the Game:
- Idea: each unit only has: name, title and a certain number of keywords. Could codify the way in which players describe their units. Not necessary but may streamline things and make power normalisation more straight forward.
- I ended up creating a by hand turn tracker! Comparing each players actions on a little grid. This made keep track of time spent easier.
Messages that I sent to the players to get the game started/explain the game:
"The whole idea is you don't need to worry about the rules at all.
I will send you a message with relevant information and you tell me what you want to do. I might ask doe a dice roll or two from you, and you just tell me the results. Then I will send up another message updating you with what happened.
You just let me know what type of warband you want to play.
You just have an idea of the type of warband you want to play (honestly anything from a bunch of horse barbarians to space marines) and I will tell you how many units you can have. A picture can help. "
"You have have X SPECIFIC UNITS. If you could give me a brief description of each and indicate which one is the leader that would be great. Any names, backstory, etc is useful but not necessary. I may give some further instructions on changes to your units for power normalisation reasons.
I will keep everyone's identity private (until the end of the game I guess) just to make it more interesting. That said you can give me orders that open up communications with the other bands so alliances/double crosses are possible.
For the time being all you need to do is read the messages I send you here, and send me orders here. When we start playing you can always ask me for any clarifications as needed "
"Some notes: Your warband does not need to worry about: Food, water, sleep (but anything else could be an issue). It is currently day time but I will let you know when/if that changes.
Because people will be sending orders asynchronously (and also due to the fact some actions will take longer than other) it should be ok if some people get a little bit behind in their orders and then catch up. If it is ever critical that I need to interpret orders from two or more players at the same time, I will let you know, and slow down the turns in that area of the map (Time is relative!)
That said, if you are going to be absent for a bit, or need to leave the game let me know! Sometimes if things have ground to a halt and we are waiting on one person I might assume your warband keeps doing what it was doing when you gave your last order.
Finally, sometimes I will ask you for specific dice rolls (Mostly d6 probably). To keep everyone honest I will randomly determine whether a high or low roll is good/bad for that specific test/check.
"Let me know your orders, they can be as detailed or as brief as you like. Feel free to ask for clarification, and I will ask for clarification on your orders if needed.
(Hey all, if its easier for you/you prefer I can handle all the rolls on my end for you - let me know if you would prefer that. I'm happy either way [but do have a slight philosophical preference to the player doing the rolling])"
- I like using dice resolution because I find it more interesting than me just adjusting the outcome of a conflict. This approach isn't strictly FKR in nature - its just a personal preference.
- The more dire/important the situation, the more granular a dice I will use (general PC versus NPC is a d6, and PC versus PC is d8 or d12.)
- Roll a random target if unsure of the odds
- Don't roll if it's impossible!
D8:
D12:
D6 Kontextual Table, for when The Referee is unsure what happens next.
The situation suddenly becomes more terrible.
The situation slowly becomes more horrible.
A miasmic malaise wafts through the situation.
A glimmer of positivity twinkles through the situation.
The situation slowly becomes more agreeable.
The situation suddenly becomes delightful.
I have been thinking about something like this for about three years and just could not wrap my head around how to make it happen (spending too much time thinking about rules, how to handle the asynchronous comms, etc). Thank you for posting this, gives me some really great ideas on how to handle things that I just could not figure out!
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear it was useful. Just having the referee be the "computer" who processes all the orders and spits out the results back to the players works really well. And then you can have the rules be as granule or contextual as you like because you are the one processing them all - the players don't need to worry about it. Like I said im super keen to play in a similar game so let me know if you end up running something!
DeleteThis is cool. Could you share more about the units in the game you are running?
ReplyDeleteSure! I offloaded all the warband and unit creation stuff to the players - they come up with a warband they want to play and I just told them how many units they could have (considering their relative power levels). So the warbands are: A crab herding tribe of kobolds, a group of space marine lizard men, A group of sci fi rifle weilding camel riders, a group of time warping void knights, a group of crusader biologists (like scientist knights), and a group of magma/metal skeletons.
DeleteI love how wild and different they all are!
I am curious how you...for lack of a better term...balanced those warbands. I mean, it appears to be quite a large disparity in power levels between the crab herding kobolds and time warping void knights.
DeleteBasically LOTS of crabs - and not many time warping knights haha. The more powerful the warband the less units they get. I considered a bunch of factors but that was the basic calculus.
DeleteDid you have numeric power levels for the different warbands? Not that the players knew, but you had to help you determine outcomes?
DeleteDarn you, now you really have me thinking about this.
Haha, again, please run it so I can play!
DeleteNo power levels, it was all "from sight" as it were. When your dealing with magma skeletons and crusader biologists et Al, I think numerical codification is a wild goose chase haha!
Thanks, sounds pretty wild. I would be quite interested in hearing more about the game and the sessions. Doing this PBEM sounds fun
ReplyDeleteI've done a couple of mini updates on twitter, but I want to keep things pretty private until after the game - just to maintain that fog of war for the players.
DeleteI do have a map where I'm keeping track of all the warband movements. I think I'll use that to do a recap when the game is done (in maybe a few months?)
I understand. Sounds great!
DeleteI ran something very like this for Warhammer 40,000 on play-by-post discussion boards many years ago. Players chose and described regiments, moved them about on a map against the NPC Ork hordes, and I described the results. It was popular enough that for a while everyone was running what we ended up called "strategic roleplays," some of them with stricter rules than my FKR version which relied more on what was exciting or funny than on actual tactics. The point is, they worked. I may try and join you at some point, and be happy to try running a round!
ReplyDeleteOh nice, yes that sounds quite similar to the type of stuff I've been running. I've been tempted to start looking into 40k too! Not sure if you saw it the post, but I've been running warhammer fantasy games/a campaign using this approach: https://lizardmandiaries.blogspot.com/2021/04/krieghammer-rules-and-armies.html
DeleteIt's not 40k but its close!